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Sunday, December 7, 2014

John Kerry Publicly Warns Feinstein About "Timing" Her Release Of Torture Investgation Findings


This is actually unusual in that it wasn't done in the old fashioned arm twisting privately method.

Our government tortured people after 9/11, this is an indisputable fact.
The denials, obfuscation, delay tactics and outright lying about it since then do not change this fact and these are criminal acts, period.

If you, as an American citizen even briefly entertain the thought that there is no way they would ever do this to you I suggest you start believing differently right now.

Anyone reading this Blog is instantly considered a Domestic Terrorist or at the very least, a sympathizer by this same government and the only difference between a Domestic Terrorist and an Armed Combatant is whether or not you happen to have a pocket knife in your pants and checking a different box on a government form.


WASHINGTON (AP) — Secretary of State John Kerry has asked Sen. Dianne Feinstein to "consider" the timing of the expected release of a long-awaited report on the CIA's harsh interrogation techniques.



Kerry called Feinstein to discuss the broader implications of the timing of publicly releasing a declassified summary of her committee's report "because a lot is going on in the world, and he wanted to make sure that foreign policy implications were being appropriately factored into timing," State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Friday.
She said Kerry during the call reiterated the support of the administration for the release of the report on detention and interrogation, but "he also made clear that the timing is of course her choice."
These factors to consider "include our ongoing efforts against ISIL and the safety of Americans being held hostage around the world," Psaki said.

The Senate Intelligence Committee is poised to release early next week the first public accounting of the CIA's use of torture on al-Qaida detainees held in secret facilities in Europe and Asia in the years after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
It will come in the form of a 480-page executive summary of the 6,200-page report by Democrats on the committee, who spent six years reviewing millions of secret CIA documents.
According to many U.S. officials who have read it, the document includes disturbing new details about the CIA's use of such techniques as sleep deprivation, confinement in small spaces, humiliation and the simulated drowning process known as waterboarding. President Barack Obama has acknowledged, "We tortured some folks."
But the report goes much further than to simply condemn the brutal methods, which Obama banned in 2009 and were repudiated by the three most recent CIA directors. It alleges that the harsh interrogations failed to produce unique and life-saving intelligence. And it asserts that the CIA systematically lied about the covert program to officials at the White House, the Justice Department and congressional oversight committees.

So Kerry is pretty much still trying to forestall this getting into the hands of people who are very interested in
going over it line by line.

There is undoubtedly some very damning testimony,documentation, evidence and the timelines will be especially interesting .

What I really want you to understand about all of this, legal or not is that they learned things that under normal circumstances and color of law, that they should never, ever, have been able to do.

Techniques that were unheard of because the technology wasn't there before were tested and evaluated.

Medical professionals were employed to monitor victims of torture to be able to inform those doing the torturing just how far they could go before they went too far for even our own guidelines at the time which prohibited causing organ failure.

Stop and think about that last fact.
That was the legal red line that wasn't supposed to be crossed, causing so much pain and physical damage that internal organs would fail.

That pretty much left it wide open for even the most vile methods modern man could come up with and unfortunately, that red line was crossed on occasion anyway.

All of this is in that report and more because quite a bit of it is already public knowledge.

This is why Kerry and the rest of the administration do not want it released at all.

They know damn good and well that when our enemies find out what happened under the Bush administration it won't matter who is in charge over here because as the saying goes, payback is a bitch. You can bet the last shred of respect you ever had for our government that when this gets out that the recent unpleasantness over seas is going to get kicked up a few notches and those fanatics over in the Sand Box will have more than enough justification in their own eyes so that nothing is off the table if this is what we do to our prisoners here at home while talking out the other side of our mouth about justice, the land of the free and all those other quaint notions that no longer apply.

All this is going to happen while Obama is still in office and he has no stomach for what it's going to take
to deal with it as he is an admitted Muslim supporter and that is exactly who we were torturing, Muslims.

What they were actually doing was, practicing on the Muslims.






Cross posted at my other site,

Antidote To Tyranny.

3 comments :

  1. Well, lessee......9-11. Then we have all those beheadings and "honer killings", hostage taking, and on and on. Seems in WWII the Jerries were not exctly the ideal folks either. So now, just because we decided to fight back we were wrong? I don't think so. The way I see it we should have turned the entire mid east into a glazed parking lot after 9-11. Not to mention kick the UN out of Amerca and have America get the hell out of the UN. But, of course the god dammed international bankers and their ilk couldn't allow that. Bastards......

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  2. I pretty much agree with your sentiment but unfortunately Bush listened to Cheney and they turned left into Iraq instead of going after the sonsabitches and we are STILL fucking around over there.

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  3. Sorry, but I'm calling BS. What the CIA or our military did was not torture. Harsh interrogation, certainly, but gang-raping, genital mutilation, wiring up the genitals, cutting off body parts and the many other varieties of actual torture as done by muslims world-wide, by other governments, by the Nazis, Soviet and Chinese Communists were and are torture. I don't give a damn what Obama claims, or that you hate one or both of the Bushes (who certainly weren't saints either).

    If someone buried your daughter or someone you loved alive, and the only way you could find her in time to save her life, what would you do to the person who put her there to make him talk, to enable you to get to her in time? If you knew sleep deprivation, claustrophobia, and other more "gentle" methods wouldn't get you the info you needed quickly enough, what would you do? Let her die? BS. You'd do what you had to do.

    Harsh interrogation techniques are certainly distasteful, but when used against subjects known to be involved in the death of innocents, of women and children, they are completely justifiable. With muslim scum who rape and kill children, kill their own daughters and wives, then I think there are all methods of interrogation - including _actual_ torture - should be on the table. What the CIA did didn't even come close.

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